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Hunting by Game/Technique => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: WHITETAILFEVER on Apr 22, 2008, 07:15:15 AM
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I Know That In Ny Putting A Pile Of Corn,apples,carrots Etc...just To Lure The Deer In Or Onto A Property Is Illeagle But Why Is Building A Food Plot Just To Lure In The Deer Leagle?does This Make Sence To You?i Know The Cwd(chronic Wasting Disease)has Had Something To Do With It Because They Dec(dept.of Environmental Conservation)dosen't Want The Deer To Gather In Herds?but What About The Food Plots And Or Herding Up In The Winter Months?i Have Only Herd Of 3 Cases Of Cwd In Ny(southernteir) But That Was A Couple Of Years Ago And Nothing Sence?i In My Opinion If You Own The Property Pay The State Taxes You Should Be Able To Do What You Want To Do On It.does Anybody Here Agree Or Disagree?
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Go for it just don't post it on here,do it out of sight.
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Well I don't agree with baiting PERIOD, it's called baiting because it's not hunting. You don't have to search too far on this site to find out the strong feelings both ways on this subject.
That said, I think the powers that may be are OK with food plots for one, they bring in tax dollars for all the crap you have to buy to get one started and keep one going. Second I think they feel it is OK because it is a source of year round nutrition and not something concentrated 20 yards from your stand for the sole purpose of killing an animal. If your food plot is so small it's concentrated 20 yards from your stand, chances are unless it's the Filet Mignon of Legumes it's not going to attract any deer.
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Go for it just don't post it on here,do it out of sight.
Great response...encourage someone to commit an illegal act!! ::) Who cares that young, impressionable minds visit this site and read that other people might be getting away with committing a crime. Why not "hunt" your trophies at high-fence [butcher] preserves...it's equivalent in skill level!! >:(
In general, food plots do not "lure" deer into shooting range...they provide an additional feed resource replet with necessary minerals/supplaments to maximize deer growth, both antler and health. It requires considerable amounts of time and effort to till, plant, and maintain a food plot. It's no different then hunting over acorns or on the edges of apple orchards/field crops because you cannot guarantee that deer will actively seek out a traditional food source. If you have questions/concerns regarding this question...I would contact your local DEC office to confirm the difference between baiting and food plots...especially considering waterfowl hunting (different regulations considering baiting over harvested fields).
Footnote: I do not nor have not grown any form of food plots...I rely 100% on nature to provide sustenance for deer, but I'm not a trophy hunter either so I don't care about premium antler growth.
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Great response...encourage someone to commit an illegal act!! ::) Who cares that young, impressionable minds visit this site and read that other people might be getting away with committing a crime. Why not "hunt" your trophies at high-fence [butcher] preserves...it's equivalent in skill level!! >:(
In general, food plots do not "lure" deer into shooting range...they provide an additional feed resource replet with necessary minerals/supplaments to maximize deer growth, both antler and health. It requires considerable amounts of time and effort to till, plant, and maintain a food plot. It's no different then hunting over acorns or on the edges of apple orchards/field crops because you cannot guarantee that deer will actively seek out a traditional food source. If you have questions/concerns regarding this question...I would contact your local DEC office to confirm the difference between baiting and food plots...especially considering waterfowl hunting (different regulations considering
baiting over harvested fields)Footnote: I do not nor have not grown any form of food plots...I rely 100% on nature to provide sustenance for deer, but I'm not a trophy hunter either so I don't care about premium antler growth.
I was being sarcastic ,If he wants bait I don't want to read about it here, I am not a trophy hunter either unless it shows first.BB
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Sorry about the condemnation...it just did not read as sarcasm. I realize it's hard to differentiate when using written language vs. spoken, so maybe try include emots or writing in italics when responding sarcastically. 8)
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GUYS ITS JUST A QUESTION RELAX!!!!!AND NO I DON'T BAIT DEER.
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Food plots are just miniature farm fields. Its just some thing for the deer to eat.
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Food plots are just miniature farm fields. Its just some thing for the deer to eat.
I DISSAGREE WITH WHAT YOUR SAYING.I BELIEVE ITS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.FOOD PLOTS GIVE THE DEER THEIR NUTRITION LIKE PROTIEN,MINERALS ETC...APPLES,CORN,CARROTS ARE JUST FILLERS FOR THE DEER.BUT I'M SURE THERE IS SOME SORT OF NUTRITION.
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The food plots we've planted use the same seed that is used on our farm fields.
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To me, there is a difference in providing habitat for game animals , & placing a "bait" near where you are going to hunt.
Providing a food plot for the animals that you're possibly going to hunt, along with all the other wildlife that could get some use out of the habitat you create, is beneficial to all of the wildlife that is going to frequent the area. There's a lot of work involved in planting the crops, & possibly even harvesting some of those crops for your own use. The farmers in my area here, don't bait much(that I know of) , but do leave some standing corn/beans for the wildlife to feed on over the winter. Not just for hunting, but to provide a meal or two for the resident wildlife. Remember, coyotes & other predators will reap benefits from the food plot habitat, not just game animals for you to harvest for food. Those same predators won't necessarily be able to take advantage of a "bait"pile. A bait pile is generally short term, & doesn't help the natural environment as a whole. It is generally set for attraction during a hunting season & doesn't have the same long term effects as providing a food plot would.
So, to my way of thinking, Food plots are fine, Baiting is fine also.(If done legally/your statutes allow for it). But I do think there is a definite difference between the two.
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I know i wouldnt mind it if baiting became legal........i dont see the diifference if your hunting over a corn field or a pile of corn.........i heard Ted Nugent say on tv one time if you dont believe in baiting then dont hunt over scent lure because thats no different you're still putting something in the woods that wasnt placed there by mothernature.....or hunting a highly traveled deer trail you know the deer use the trail just like you know they would use a bait site........if they made it legal and you dont agree with it you dont have to do it
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I know i wouldnt mind it if baiting became legal........i dont see the diifference if your hunting over a corn field or a pile of corn.........i heard Ted Nugent say on tv one time if you dont believe in baiting then dont hunt over scent lure because thats no different you're still putting something in the woods that wasnt placed there by mothernature.....or hunting a highly traveled deer trail you know the deer use the trail just like you know they would use a bait site........if they made it legal and you dont agree with it you dont have to do it
Also heard uncle Ted say, If you don't believe in baiting for deer, try fishing with a bare hook, see how many fish you catch.
I may not agree in some places but can't say it is good or bad in others. (Texas seems to be doing well).
Scott
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Also heard uncle Ted say, If you don't believe in baiting for deer, try fishing with a bare hook, see how many fish you catch.
I may not agree in some places but can't say it is good or bad in others. (Texas seems to be doing well).
Scott
In the same seance, try releasing a baited deer :-\
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You don't have to shoot it just because it comes to the bait just scare it off.Long distance release.If it's legal and you want to bait go for it.everything eats at a bait pile as they do a food plot,if you don't think so put some feed out and a trail cam on it.When it was legal here to feed deer we fed from the day after muzzy until spring I had a feeder across the road from the house everything fed at it.BB
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Also heard uncle Ted say, If you don't believe in baiting for deer, try fishing with a bare hook, see how many fish you catch.
I may not agree in some places but can't say it is good or bad in others. (Texas seems to be doing well).
Scott
you are right about texas i have seen hunting shows there the wheeler goes through with a feed spreader and the deer come running i have even seen in bass pro a deer call that mimic the sound of a feeder slinging corn
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I believe that if you plant a plot you are just trying to grow bigger, healthier herds which isn't a problem. You have the right to hunt over them if you want but the way I see it is if your going to do that, why not just go out with a spotlight and get em at night? If the food plot or bait is the only food source in the area it wont take much skill to get a deer.
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people have allready given great reasons why food plots are ok so i won't touch on that but i will tell you why i despise baiting. ive been scouting the last few months in one area i hunt and i hunted there last year. i walk trails, look for rubs, and spend a lot of time researching where their food sources are, where cover is for them to bed, put out cameras, etc. first couple weeks of the season i was seeing about a dozen deer a day including a few bucks. starting a few weeks ago, i hardly see them in their normal areas. come to find out, someone as been baiting them about 1/4 mile away right by a road and houses (i watched him one day and he didnt know it. he has them trained to the point that he hits the side of a 5 gallon bucket with the handle and 15 minutes later they start coming. i moved my camera there for less than 2 days and got 36 pictures of all te deer i was seeing before). so, now the deer are pulled there, away from their natural food source, they're too close to neigborhoods to even legally shoot, the food won't be there to eat once the snow comes and he stops feeding them, the food he's giving them is more like deer candy than food ad has almost no protein or nutritioal value, and im really p*ssed off that all my hard work scouting has gone to s**t. it pulls them away from their natural habitat and in most cases people feed to attract deer rather than to give them the nutrition they need that they can get from their natural sources. its just retarded, be a real hunter and do some work to find them instead of being lazy and trying to make them come to you. and for texas ranches... pleeeaaase. that's not hunting.
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Halfrack, that is a situation wher I would have contacted the game wardens. I'm not a tattle tail by any means but after putting in all that hard work I wouldnt be able to stand there and let that happen.
What bothers me is exactly what halfrack was saying you put in a lot of effort into scouting, for months before the season then some scum bag can come into a nearby section of woods a week or two before the season and start dropnning corn daily and then all that hard work of yours is gone. Feeding happens a lot here in VA, and the Conservation Officers greatly frown on it.
Personally if baiting was even legal here in VA I wouldnt do it. To me the hunt is not just about the kill but about hiking back in a mile or two and using my knowledge and skill to possibly take a deer. Even if I dont get a shot at a deer Id still feel a lot better about myself then I would if I shot a deer that was munching on a pile of corn/apples/whatever.
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Well talking about putting your time in and seeing where all the deer are in the woods and what the food source is is what I do.But my biggest pet peeve is the idiots road hunt in around where I hunt they do not care where they shoot and here I am with my wife and or son in the woods.As far as baiting I don't believe in it,but on the other hand feeding the deer during the winter is okay as long as you continue and keep it up till spring.The DEC does not want this as it groups the deer together and they can spread diseases but during the winter they yard up anyway so what is the deal?
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Ok if baiting would make shooting a deer so easy, spend a few days watching the feeder on the web cam. I have seen one large buck this fall so far watching it every day.(and that was at 7:30pm, after dark.) Deer don't use feeders as primary food sources. They need browse and mast and grasses to complete their digestive process. My father in law took me to Saskatchewan for my wedding present, Spent two days watching bait and saw three deer. Even on an evening when temps went to 15 below zero.
We had to cut the hunt short as the camper froze up and we had no place to stay. Along with temps staying at 15 to 25 below.
Outfitter said we wouldn't have enjoyed the rest of the week anyways as the deer herd shut down, moving only short distances for food and conserving as much energy as they could. So baiting doesn't always assure 100% guaranteed success.
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i think we should be able to put out mineral supplements though. not like in pelletized food form but maybe a high mineral lick that will give them the minerals they can't always find. the fact that this would help in growing bigger racks is a huge plus too for me. but then again, i guess this isn't that far off from baiting... who knows. the way things are going this year, i could sit over the only food source in the state and see nothing worthwhile
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In general, food plots do not "lure" deer into shooting range...they provide an additional feed resource replet with necessary minerals/supplaments to maximize deer growth, both antler and health. It requires considerable amounts of time and effort to till, plant, and maintain a food plot. It's no different then hunting over acorns or on the edges of apple orchards/field crops because you cannot guarantee that deer will actively seek out a traditional food source.
FINALLY!! Someone with some sence.... with the recent ban of baiting in michigan everybody is complaining about it... O but baiting is the same as planting food plots... No its not, not even close to the same thing.... Baiting puts the deer at YOUR fingertips, 15, 20, 30, 40 yrds, whatever they're forced into on area to feed. Buncha crap. Food plots are big, i dont have any real big food plots but even a 1 acre foodplot dont guarantee ur killin a deer. If you want to bait and its legal, go ahead it dont bother me, but do not compare a bait pile to a food plot..... I've got countless hours of hard work in 90+ degree heat and lots dollars into my foodplots, not 5 dollars and 5 minutes for a bait pile. THe biggest reason i decided to plant food plots is for cover, proper nutrition for the bucks, does and young fawns, and for a late season food source to help the deer through the winter, the corn and beans stay up all year, plus the green plots that are available to them yearly......
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As far as putting deer at your fingertips with bait, I gotta tell you, I can cover a 2 acre food plot just as easy as a pile of corn with a 30-06. Archery maybe a different story. But if you position your stand along a heavy travel route, you can cover that base too.
I guess it's OK to hang a stand next to an apple tree though.
In the same breathe, somehow it's legal to shoot coyotes off of an old cow carcass......
There appears to be somewhat of a double standard to the law of "no baiting"
I believe the deciding factor in determining bait laws atleast here in NY, is that the whittail is DEC's cashcow. plain and simple.
Personally, I think Antlers are overrated.
triggerhap3
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I can cover a 2 acre food plot just as easy as a pile of corn with a 30-06.
Maybe you can but.... No way are you gonna kill a deer that is INSIDE a 2 acre corn field. Some spots maybe, but shooting into corn is a tough deal, sometimes at the right angle and right stand placement you can shoot down the rows with a gun, but in most cases, once they get in the corn they're safe. I have different properties that i use for bowhunting and gun hunting... Very seldom do i bowhunt and gun hunt the same prop. Smaller plots for the bow spots. Bigger plots for the gun spots. I also try to not hunt over my food plots. they're their to help the deer, not to help me harvest one. I hang sets along travel ways inbtwn feeding areas, bedding areas, and staging areas.... Along creeks, draws, and natural pinch points. Like I said, i have no problem with the guy that wants to go out and make a bait pile if its legal in his/hers state. But a bait pile is not comparible to a food plot.
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Maybe you can but.... No way are you gonna kill a deer that is INSIDE a 2 acre corn field. Some spots maybe, but shooting into corn is a tough deal, sometimes at the right angle and right stand placement you can shoot down the rows with a gun, but in most cases, once they get in the corn they're safe. I have different properties that i use for bowhunting and gun hunting... Very seldom do i bowhunt and gun hunt the same prop. Smaller plots for the bow spots. Bigger plots for the gun spots. I also try to not hunt over my food plots. they're their to help the deer, not to help me harvest one. I hang sets along travel ways inbtwn feeding areas, bedding areas, and staging areas.... Along creeks, draws, and natural pinch points. Like I said, i have no problem with the guy that wants to go out and make a bait pile if its legal in his/hers state. But a bait pile is not comparible to a food plot.
what kind of plots do you plant? im thinking of attempting one next year and know the basics. i was looking at some of the mossy oaks products and have heard of a few guys that have had good success with planting that.
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Half Rack.... I planted corn and Antler King Honey hole last spring. COrn as usual, the deer LOVE it and have it run down pretty much! THe Antler King blew me away, the deer absolutly HAMMERED it, its demolished. I took my sister out on the youth hunt and she killed this buck
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/mudlakewalkers/hunting/medadkay.jpg) at 10 yards with her bow fedding on the antler king. THis spring i will be planting beens, corn, and the antler king of course. COrn field is getting moved 200 yards to the south, and beans put in place of the con to create a good night, and morning stand location for this property. I've been passin a decent 13 inch 9 and 12 inch 6 in this property all year.... Hope i dont end up regretting it, hoping they'll both make it to next year and we'll have 2 more big guys in there next yr. Hunting pressure is not a problem, just worried about em gettin whacked on the road. As of yesterday they were both there yet. THey've been runnin together all year... Never seen 2 diff bucks sitck together all year long.
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I do have progress pics of week 1, 2, and 3 of the Antler Kings progress... If you wanna see em let me know and i'll start a different thread somewhere else for you to see.
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yeah that'd be cool. im only going to be doing a small one maybe 1000 sq ft just enough to give them a little supplemental food. i honestly have never planted too much but ive been reading a bunch about what to do. obviously soil test then lyme etc but ya post those pics that'd be great. you live in michigan right? i think we have a pretty similar climate. and when did you plant each of those. im assuming the corn was planted early...
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got talking to a local up here that got a 12 pointer on sunday heard he always gets a buck 8 or bigger asked him what his secret was he said i bait em all year bring em to where i want em and wait for em and pick which one i want i was so disquested at him i didnt know what to say i just laughed
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Im gonna make the post in General Half Rack. I'll put it on tonight..
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walleyeguy, Would it have been better if that large buck was hit by a car or pulled down by coyotes as a lot of larger, older bucks are after the rut? Anyone can attest to how hard it is to take a large older buck in areas where feeding is illegal, and there aren't agricultural areas to draw them out in daylight hours.Texas has had feeding and deer management programs for years. They take only mature bucks or management bucks and a certain number of doe's. Agreed that their climate is ideal for deer survival, they still are a go to place for trophy bucks.
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got talking to a local up here that got a 12 pointer on sunday heard he always gets a buck 8 or bigger asked him what his secret was he said i bait em all year bring em to where i want em and wait for em and pick which one i want i was so disquested at him i didnt know what to say i just laughed
i used to work with a guy like that. he tells me about all these bucks he sees and shoot... im not impressed. and thanks "steelie" ill check it later
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what kind of plots do you plant? im thinking of attempting one next year and know the basics. i was looking at some of the mossy oaks products and have heard of a few guys that have had good success with planting that.
Halfrack,most of the time by the time gun season the corn is so beat down it is no differant than shooting in a grown up pasture.food plots do attract deer in shooting range ,it really isn't much differant just a lot more work,we can't bait and I wouldn't anyway,but if its leagal then it's a personal choice.Everything eat from a bait pile as well as a food plot.A football Field is 1.3 acres,pretty easy to cover.
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yea but the thing is its all farming lands up here they got plenty to eat he purposely feeds em to get em to come back day after day and then just shoots em not my idea of hunting when you can walk out your back door twenty feet see a deer eating and blast it and then go around bragging about how you killed a baited deer
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yea but the thing is its all farming lands up here they got plenty to eat he purposely feeds em to get em to come back day after day and then just shoots em not my idea of hunting when you can walk out your back door twenty feet see a deer eating and blast it and then go around bragging about how you killed a baited deer
Just lazy!! :o :o
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What about the guy who is saving the deer from a terrible fate at the hands of a hunter. People around here have started doing that. Putting food out to keep deer close to communities and to their house. Are they doing the deer a favor or helping continue disease and predator's kill as the deer are congregated in a small area. Feeding does have pros and con's. We used to feed before it was banned, but only from mid December to around mid April when the snow was deepest and no hunting season open. As far as the hunting went, it was no better than it is now. We also saw more deer hit on the road, even though we were feeding over 500 feet from it. Most of the reason we quit. An area can only hold so many deer, and most of the transient deer at the feed were back in home area by spring. We did though have a few bigger bucks, as they have better nutrition during the winter. I guess I feel, if you own the property, and don't violate game laws, (shoot at night or over limit) then why not hunt the way you feel is acceptable. The NY DEC issues a certain number of permits every year, knowing only a percentage of them will be filled. Wouldn't it be easier to issue only the number of permits you know the area will handle. It just seems funny to me that what works in other states is so frowned upon here. I know this may upset a few but, if I could put acorn rage or some other deer attractant out I would. When my license is filled then I'm done, Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy matching wits with a whitetail buck. I would also enjoy seeing deer and shooting the one I choose to as well.
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im all for feeding em in the off season when hunting is closed but this guy does it year round so he can pick and choose what buck he wants to shoot and he doesnt do it to provide for his family he does it to brag about shooting a 12 pointer and getting it mounted in his trophy room if he was doing it for meat on the table for his family then fine but to bait em and pick em out like your picking out a car on a car lot is just wrong in my opinon its one thing to do that in the woods when you wait for em day after day but to bait em to get them to come to you every day is just not hunting
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upstate where did they use to feed all the yarding deer morehouse? I remember seeing videos of that when i was a kid there were tons of deer in those videos
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They were up the road in Indian lake. I was friends with "the deer man" . He would have from sixty to a hundred deer coming.
They did some back into Perkins clearing as well, between Indian Lake and Raquette Lake. I snowmobiled in there then and saw 100's of deer. Made you wonder where they all came from.
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Great response...encourage someone to commit an illegal act!! ::) Who cares that young, impressionable minds visit this site and read that other people might be getting away with committing a crime. Why not "hunt" your trophies at high-fence [butcher] preserves...it's equivalent in skill level!! >:(
In general, food plots do not "lure" deer into shooting range...they provide an additional feed resource replet with necessary minerals/supplaments to maximize deer growth, both antler and health. It requires considerable amounts of time and effort to till, plant, and maintain a food plot. It's no different then hunting over acorns or on the edges of apple orchards/field crops because you cannot guarantee that deer will actively seek out a traditional food source. If you have questions/concerns regarding this question...I would contact your local DEC office to confirm the difference between baiting and food plots...especially considering waterfowl hunting (different regulations considering baiting over harvested fields).
Footnote: I do not nor have not grown any form of food plots...I rely 100% on nature to provide sustenance for deer, but I'm not a trophy hunter either so I don't care about premium antler growth.
well most peoples food plots arent huge they are just little food plots with in shooting range especially with a gun so it pretty much is like sticking some apples out in front of ur stand
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you're still jumping all over food plot topic??? ::)
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comparing the 5 minutes it takes to dump a bag of apples in front or your stand to the months it takes to decide on and plant a food plot....... lol.
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Funny thing, this spring in an area where it seems everyone feeds through the winter, we found seven dead deer in a 3 to 4 hundred yard circle. That's not the real funny part, the coyotes had not touched them. Birds had been one them but no dog tracks at all or piles of hair where they had been at them. We asked the local DEC officer if they wanted to check them to see what was going on, he smiled and said Not in the budget! I have been trying to talk with people from the midwest that may have some first hand knowledge of chronic wasting to see if the animals leave them or if they go after them just like any other dead deer.
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Funny thing, this spring in an area where it seems everyone feeds through the winter, we found seven dead deer in a 3 to 4 hundred yard circle. That's not the real funny part, the coyotes had not touched them. Birds had been one them but no dog tracks at all or piles of hair where they had been at them. We asked the local DEC officer if they wanted to check them to see what was going on, he smiled and said Not in the budget! I have been trying to talk with people from the midwest that may have some first hand knowledge of chronic wasting to see if the animals leave them or if they go after them just like any other dead deer.
Maybe it was the nice old lady who was tired of bambi eating her flowers and decided to bake him an arsenic muffin ;D
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comparing the 5 minutes it takes to dump a bag of apples in front or your stand to the months it takes to decide on and plant a food plot....... lol.
Yep,alot easier.... ;D
Not all guys have a spot or equipment to put in food plots!!!!Most are lucky to even have a place to hunt anymore,why should they be handicapped.. ??? Just because some rich land owner can post his property,food-plot it and pick and choose!!!!Gotta give the deer some incentive to wonder over to where your stand is.... 8)
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get some skills, if you have to bait deer then your lazy, IMO. Scout, do your homework and hunt don't take the easy way out. I take more pride in out smarting a whitetail then I do feeding one, but to each their own. I didn't mean to hijack this post and do enjoy looking at the game cam pics.
(http://get some skills, if you have to bait deer then your lazy, IMO. Scout, do your homework and hunt don't take the easy way out. I take more pride in out smarting a whitetail then I do feeding one, but to each their own. I didn't mean to hijack this post and do enjoy looking at the game cam pics.)
Quit hijacking that thread,brimg it here Geeze!!!Actually ya gotta be un-lazy to carry in the bait,that stuff is pretty heavy.....Lazy is walking to your stand without it!!!!! ::)
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get some skills, if you have to bait deer then your lazy, IMO. Scout, do your homework and hunt don't take the easy way out. I take more pride in out smarting a whitetail then I do feeding one, but to each their own. I didn't mean to hijack this post and do enjoy looking at the game cam pics.
(http://get some skills, if you have to bait deer then your lazy, IMO. Scout, do your homework and hunt don't take the easy way out. I take more pride in out smarting a whitetail then I do feeding one, but to each their own. I didn't mean to hijack this post and do enjoy looking at the game cam pics.)
Quit hijacking that thread,brimg it here Geeze!!!Actually ya gotta be un-lazy to carry in the bait,that stuff is pretty heavy.....Lazy is walking to your stand without it!!!!! ::)
I plan on bringing it here, but wanted to make one last post over there. Before I respond to any of your posts I am going to read this whole thread first. When I reply I like to be informed so that I can make an educated post.
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Gotta give the deer some incentive to wonder over to where your stand is....
Or just hang your stands where the deer are already walking through, or learn to be mobile......
Gotta rake and a tank sprayer?? If ya do thats all ya need to have to put in plots, my 1st two ploce i ever put in were done with a rake, and weeds sprayed with a tank sprayer, and used a little hand seeder to seed it, about $50 worth of equipment plus your seed to do it.
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I see no difference in baiting and food plots,maybe a little more labor/time consuming on the plot is all.... :-\
If ya hunt a cornfield/alfafa field same thing,it wouldn't be there if the farmer didn't put it there!!!!And he does all the work for ya,is that being a lazy hunter as well..... ???
According to you maybe should just stalk-em with wooden recurves (indian style),just to make sure were true/ethical hunters!!!! 8)
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I see no difference in baiting and food plots,maybe a little more labor/time consuming on the plot is all.... :-\
If ya hunt a cornfield/alfafa field same thing,it wouldn't be there if the farmer didn't put it there!!!!And he does all the work for ya,is that being a lazy hunter as well..... ???
According to you maybe should just stalk-em with wooden recurves (indian style),just to make sure were true/ethical hunters!!!! 8)
First of all I never brought ethics into this and never said that you were unethcal. If you eat the venison then hunt the way you choose.What I did say is that baiting deer is lazy, in my opinion. Whether it be a pile of corn/apples or a food plot (deer farming) then I feel that you have taken the sport and tradition out of hunting. You know that the deer will be going to that spot at a given time so you can just sit and wait. If you took the time that you invested in getting bait, transporting it in and out of your stand site or the time it takes to cultivate a food plot, let alone the $ and actually spent it in the woods getting to know the deer herd in your piece of woods that you hunt. Study their habitat and movement and then hang a stand according to what you have learned. Is hunting a hard wood ridge or over an apple tree different? Yes, I didn't put the apples there nor was I around 20-100+ years ago to plant the oak trees. But, how it differs is that I did my homework and located these areas and the deer movement within them. As far as your comment about a recurve, 90% of my time spent hunting is by bow, I resort only to a rifle if for some reason I have not filled my tag by december and do so because the meat saves me money and feeds my family. Have you ever cut a track of a good buck on fresh snow and spent an entire day or two tracking him down and when you finally sneak up on him there is no better feeling then to have out smarted a whitetail on his teritory, not yours. I honestly feel that hunting deer over bait takes the passion, sport and true meaning out of it and turns it into grocery shopping. Again, this is my opinion to which I am entitled and either love it or hate it.
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Where are the spots/trails you mainly locate deer movement!!!Heading to a local farmers field for food...And you are hypocritical because you already stated you put in food plots yourself.... :o
Talking in circles like most,do as I say not as I do!!!!! ;)
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please direct me to where I stated that I put in food plots. I have never said that nor do I waste my time or money :o :o :o
And I don't have a farm for 20-30 miles from my house. I hunt woods, travel routes, natural food sources. Stick to your bait and deer drives
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please direct me to where I stated that I put in food plots. I have never said that nor do I waste my time or money :o :o :o
And I don't have a farm for 20-30 miles from my house. I hunt woods, travel routes, natural food sources. Stick to your bait and deer drives
So thats why you haven't posted/got any deer/buck!!!!! :o
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Now you're being more like a women.... Making up stuff I never said... I never said anything about being ethical/unethical................
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Now you're being more like a women.... Making up stuff I never said... I never said anything about being ethical/unethical................
Actually got your name mixed up with another member here!!Must be cause I see ya as just a PEE-ON in my eyes........ 8)
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Only cause your just a PEE-ON in my eyes
To someone with your attitude... I wouldnt want to be anything else, thanks for the compliment.
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To someone with your attitude... I wouldnt want to be anything else, thanks for the compliment.
Your welcome!!! ;)
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I didnt wanna get involved in this but what the heck this site is kinda slow this time of yr. I dont get how hunting over a food plot is any different than hunting a well traveled deer trail? You know the deer are gonna use both either way
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I think we should go back to the true Adirondack Tradition..... START RUNNING THEM WITH DOGS.......(http://www.funutilities.com/files/smileys/07/02/11667.gif)(http://www.funutilities.com/files/smileys/07/02/11667.gif)(http://www.funutilities.com/files/smileys/07/02/11667.gif)(http://www.funutilities.com/files/smileys/07/02/11667.gif)
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I didnt wanna get involved in this but what the heck this site is kinda slow this time of yr. I dont get how hunting over a food plot is any different than hunting a well traveled deer trail? You know the deer are gonna use both either way
Because if you are hunting a well travelled deer trail, then you have done your homework, put your time in and discovered that deer trail and set up accordingly. We live in such a fast paced society that most people want the sure thing and would rather spend more time making a food plot to attract deer rather then putting in the time well before the season starts. I am not against food plots to suppliment their feed throughout the year, but I am against hunting over them. I enjoy my time in the woods regardless of seeing deer or not, I learn from every outing and appreciate my time with nature. There is so much more to hunting then putting a deer on the ground, if it happens then that makes the experience that much more rewarding.
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Actually got your name mixed up with another member here!!Must be cause I see ya as just a PEE-ON in my eyes........ 8)
You have truly yet to make an intelligent statement so you resort to name calling.
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So thats why you haven't posted/got any deer/buck!!!!! :o
Well here is a start:
7 ptr, dressed 170lbs
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww145/bdlgs666/deernov6_2008-1.jpg)
7 ptr, dressed 168lbs
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww145/bdlgs666/FirstBowBuck10-6-09-2.jpg)
6ptr, dressed 232lbs
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww145/bdlgs666/2002buck.jpg)
None of which were shot over food plots or bait.
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Because if you are hunting a well travelled deer trail, then you have done your homework, put your time in and discovered that deer trail and set up accordingly. We live in such a fast paced society that most people want the sure thing and would rather spend more time making a food plot to attract deer rather then putting in the time well before the season starts. I am not against food plots to suppliment their feed throughout the year, but I am against hunting over them. I enjoy my time in the woods regardless of seeing deer or not, I learn from every outing and appreciate my time with nature. There is so much more to hunting then putting a deer on the ground, if it happens then that makes the experience that much more rewarding.
I have to diasagree. Because chances are good that mostt of the trails you are hunting eventually will end up at a food source. You are just going directly to the source of where the deer are coming from. What about hunting near a bedding area thats the same thing as a food plot you know there gonna go there eventually, you just gotta sit and wait.
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I have to diasagree. Because chances are good that mostt of the trails you are hunting eventually will end up at a food source. You are just going directly to the source of where the deer are coming from. What about hunting near a bedding area thats the same thing as a food plot you know there gonna go there eventually, you just gotta sit and wait.
But, you have scouted and figured these locations out, not put something to draw them away from their natural travel routes, ie a food plot or bait. This debate could go round and round and I appreciate others opinions, but I for one feel that hunting over BAIT and FOOD PLOTS is not hunting. Watch a hunting show that is filmed over a food plot. 90% of the time the hunter is driven out in a truck to a constructed blind (most of them with heaters) overlooking a food plot or feeder. They then sit in comfort and pass up a dozen to 25+ bucks before a "shooter" comes out. They are then picked up by the same truck and usually drive right up to where their deer lie. No walking in the woods, feeling a bit of the cool fall air and even no dragging, which I think is the most rewarding part. As I said to each his own.
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It's not really a good idea to hunt your food plot because eventually all you'll see there will be young stupid deer if any during daylight hours. Your best bet is to put your stands on trails leading to or from the food plot and stay at least 200 yards away. If you own or lease your land I really think you should be doing food plots, planting trees, selective logging if you own the timber rights and whatever else you can do to enhance your habitat. Of course it all depends on how much $$$ you have available to apply to your recreational budget. I have owned my property since 1983 and its nothing like these canned hunts you see on TV. I have neighbors with larger tracts and no shortage of $$$ who plant all sorts of feed on their lands. If I don't make sure there is some food source, adequate cover etc. the deer would have no reason to come on my property. There are miles and miles of endless woods owned by gas and timber companies surrounding me. Most of this land is leased out to hunters . There is very little agriculture in the area and mostly mature hardwoods. Without food plots deer would be scarce. Now if you hunt on state land or on other people's property it's a different story. You don't have the rights to go there and cut trees and do tillage etc. Then the only choice you have is to scout your trails and discover the patterns. Even if you own your land you still have to put in your time and know the patterns. Hunting over food plots and harvesting giant bucks only works on TV.
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It's not really a good idea to hunt your food plot because eventually all you'll see there will be young stupid deer if any during daylight hours. Your best bet is to put your stands on trails leading to or from the food plot and stay at least 200 yards away. If you own or lease your land I really think you should be doing food plots, planting trees, selective logging if you own the timber rights and whatever else you can do to enhance your habitat. Of course it all depends on how much $$$ you have available to apply to your recreational budget. I have owned my property since 1983 and its nothing like these canned hunts you see on TV. I have neighbors with larger tracts and no shortage of $$$ who plant all sorts of feed on their lands. If I don't make sure there is some food source, adequate cover etc. the deer would have no reason to come on my property. There are miles and miles of endless woods owned by gas and timber companies surrounding me. Most of this land is leased out to hunters . There is very little agriculture in the area and mostly mature hardwoods. Without food plots deer would be scarce. Now if you hunt on state land or on other people's property it's a different story. You don't have the rights to go there and cut trees and do tillage etc. Then the only choice you have is to scout your trails and discover the patterns. Even if you own your land you still have to put in your time and know the patterns. Hunting over food plots and harvesting giant bucks only works on TV.
This sounds like good property management to me and I live in a state where I can hunt freely as long as land is not posted so I obviously have access to more land then most, but the majority of my hunting is done behind my house on land that is not baited, plotted or have a farm remotely close by.
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This sounds like good property management to me
Exactly, you hit the nail right on the head!
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Yep gotta attract them somehow to the land ya hunt!!!!Otherwise ya eat alot of tag soup... ;)
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If you have the genetics in your area i believe with proper land management and a little Quality deer management that you can harvest mature bucks every yr. Alot of those outfitters on tv hunt fair chase whitetails and with a strict management program they continuously harvest monster bucks.
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Once the bullets/arrows start flying no respectable buck is coming in to your food plot during day-light hours!!!!On TV its a different story,mostly un-pressured deer,on 1,000 or more acres......We get pressure from archery season starting in early October,it wizens them up fast!!! ;)
TV is well TV!!!!I hunt free wild deer that neighbors and everyone else they let hunt there land are free to shoot them.....Better get that BIG buck in your food plot on the opener,cause he wont be back!!!!! ;D
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I shoot no deer in my food plot!!!!I use it to attract doe from surrounding land to attract the buck to my area...Doe feel safe and keep coming back,works awesome.... 8)
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Get that feed out guys or all your deer are going to starve to death with all this snow!!!!!!If not your season is gonna suck..... 8)
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Once the bullets/arrows start flying no respectable buck is coming in to your food plot during day-light hours!!!!On TV its a different story,mostly un-pressured deer,on 1,000 or more acres......We get pressure from archery season starting in early October,it wizens them up fast!!! ;)TV is well TV!!!!I hunt free wild deer that neighbors and everyone else they let hunt there land are free to shoot them.....Better get that BIG buck in your food plot on the opener,cause he wont be back!!!!! ;D
Ya but deer HAVE to move sometime. They cant it in one spot all day and just wait til dark. I think its somethin like they have to be active evry 3 hrs. Probably even less if its real cold. And look at the buck:doe out west. Once the rut gets swingin deer are gonna constantly move all day whether there gettin shot at or not. Bucks get "dumber" when they rut.
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Agree they move all day,just wont be in your food plot if theres alot of hunting pressure early in the archery season.Also don't forget the small game/shotgun hunters trampling all over the woods.Like I said the private land hunters limit this,so the buck are dumber/easier to shoot!!!!! ;)
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Agree they get dumber during the rut,but don't ever consider a buck thats been around a few seasons of hunting pressure being stupid any time of the year IMO!!! :-\
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Get that feed out guys or all your deer are going to starve to death with all this snow!!!!!!If not your season is gonna suck..... 8)
Wrong, you will kill deer if you start feeding them at this time of year, they are used to digesting woody browse. That is a fact you can not argue. 8)
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Agree they get dumber during the rut,but don't ever consider a buck thats been around a few seasons of hunting pressure being stupid any time of the year IMO!!! :-\
You dont have to tell me that. I got absolutely screwed by a monster 10pt this yr because my coat ever so lightly scratched against the tree when i went to shoot. Nice older buck. They are smart critters.
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Agree they move all day,just wont be in your food plot if theres alot of hunting pressure early in the archery season.Also don't forget the small game/shotgun hunters trampling all over the woods.Like I said the private land hunters limit this,so the buck are dumber/easier to shoot!!!!! ;)
Exactly the reason why i hunt private land exclusively. I give props to guys who kill nice bucks on state/public land. Between all the pressure and in some areas id be scared of bullets flying by me.
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Wrong, you will kill deer if you start feeding them at this time of year, they are used to digesting woody browse. That is a fact you can not argue. 8)
LMAO!!!!Let your deer starve then,hope your for the North........ ;D
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LMAO!!!!Let your deer starve then,hope your for the North........ ;D
They aren't going to starve from snow on the ground, they WILL die from acidosis. Instead of running your mouth you might try learning something.
Feeding deer is never a good idea. The worst thing you can do for deer is feed them. Without your "help," some will starve, but that's how healthy populations stay healthy.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10045/1035531-140.stm#ixzz0gpgkKHus (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10045/1035531-140.stm#ixzz0gpgkKHus)
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They aren't going to starve from snow on the ground, they WILL die from acidosis. Instead of running your mouth you might try learning something.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10045/1035531-140.stm#ixzz0gpgkKHus (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10045/1035531-140.stm#ixzz0gpgkKHus)
It says "The result can be acute acidosis followed by death within 72 hours,get it "CAN" not "WILL".
These guys say "No, no, no! Do not feed the deer. So says wildlife experts including Jerry Feaser of the Pennsylvania Game Commission; Jim Crum, a deer biologist for the West Virginia Division of Natural Resources, and Anne Ballmann, veterinarian and wildlife disease specialist for the National Wildlife Health Center."
also say
"Feeding deer is never a good idea. The worst thing you can do for deer is feed them. Without your "help," some will starve, but that's how healthy populations stay healthy."
A well fed deer is healthier than a malnourished deer so its HOG WASH,and the "let them starve" ideas are ridiculous.There not hunters what do they care if they live or die??????????If this was the facts the state of Texas deer preserves herds would be non-existent,there mainly fed corn at feeders or dropped off the back of a truck on the road................ 8)
Good luck next season,ya prolly will need it!!!!!!!! ;)
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I should know better by now, here's an appropriate poem. ;D
NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL
It is best not to argue,
But if you do at all,
Never do so with a fool.
A fool can defeat all.
He does not care for the facts.
He does not know debate.
He’s a stranger to reason.
Logic he can negate.
In the end the fool will win,
His logic is so strong!
Decides what he does not like
And then it must be wrong!
It’s better to keep quiet
When challenged by a fool.
Else, to prove his own wisdom,
He will make you a tool.
It is hence my policy
To not respond to those
Who ask questions not to learn
But to be bellicose.
M C Gupta
25 October 2008
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I should know better by now, here's an appropriate poem. ;D
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Actually says your not smart enough to debate this on your own,your just relying on other peoples opinions!!!Heres a opinion,dont believe everything ya read................. ;)
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By the way!!!When I start finding loads of dead deer with stomachs loaded with corn on my land,I truth-fully will let ya know!!! 8)
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All I'm going to say is this. Anyone ever heard of "Natural Selection" ??? If you feed a deer herd every winter to allow it to become larger than the habitat can sustain than the year you stop feeding them most will starve (especially those who refuse to shoot does). And you will stop feeding them eventually.
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All I'm going to say is this. Anyone ever heard of "Natural Selection" ??? If you feed a deer herd every winter to allow it to become larger than the habitat can sustain than the year you stop feeding them most will starve (especially those who refuse to shoot does). And you will stop feeding them eventually.
Only those of of us not smart enough. ;D
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All I'm going to say is this. Anyone ever heard of "Natural Selection" ??? If you feed a deer herd every winter to allow it to become larger than the habitat can sustain than the year you stop feeding them most will starve (especially those who refuse to shoot does). And you will stop feeding them eventually.
Quit it!!!Thats your natural selection theory that you guys want.....At least mine are healthy and well fed while it lasts!!!! ;D
No loopty loops,ya can do better than that...... :-\
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Haha, what a loser. The reason nobody comes on this site and the reason I haven't in months. I love the poem JJ, it was simply perfect!
Thats the reason i hardly ever go on IS and MFF. Too much bs. This site aint nothing compared to those two. I think anyways.
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It needs repeating...
NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL
It is best not to argue,
But if you do at all,
Never do so with a fool.
A fool can defeat all.
He does not care for the facts.
He does not know debate.
He’s a stranger to reason.
Logic he can negate.
In the end the fool will win,
His logic is so strong!
Decides what he does not like
And then it must be wrong!
It’s better to keep quiet
When challenged by a fool.
Else, to prove his own wisdom,
He will make you a tool.
It is hence my policy
To not respond to those
Who ask questions not to learn
But to be bellicose.
M C Gupta
25 October 2008
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:D :D :D
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Holy snikes we are all fellow sportsmen on here. So lets try and get along please this thread has gone on for way too long. It is the name calling and total disrespect to one another that will have the anti-hunters laughing at us. Now get out there and do some scouting, hang some trail cameras, shoot your bow or guns. I know we are in the off season but just quit bashing each other please.
Now since this is my first post on the thread.
Baiting Deer
If it is legal and one chooses do to it more power to them. If it is legal and one chooses not to do it more power to them. If it is illegal you should know better.
For those who want to know what I do? Yes it is legal to bait deer in MD. Do I do it YES. Do I hunt over it NO.
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Drobs your the man... And if some one makes a post, just to rub you the wrong way,, just ignore them.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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well put! drobs well put!
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Drobs your the man... And if some one makes a post, just to rub you the wrong way,, just ignore them.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I need work on turning the other cheek :-\
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Its good to see you back on Halfrack.....
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Its good to see you back on Halfrack.....
Hey, thanks... doubt I'll take part in the turkey contest. But I signed up just in case i see a 30 lb tom as I walk the streets of Albany ::)
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I just weed through the BS and abrasion. Lot's of helpful and friendly folks on here and the other forum's. I just avoid the debate's once it get's foolish. I have to agree with Mr Roberts, if it's leagal ,you do it your way,I'll do it mine. I won't judge you either way but don't judge me either. It's ok to use a worm or shiner on a hook right,but some choose to flyfish or fish artificals. I don't see a big difference.
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Hey, thanks... doubt I'll take part in the turkey contest. But I signed up just in case i see a 30 lb tom as I walk the streets of Albany ::)
The year I moved into my house in Colonie (3-4 years ago) I had a small flock walk up the road in front of my house at least twice. There aren't woods or fields within a half mile of me?
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The year I moved into my house in Colonie (3-4 years ago) I had a small flock walk up the road in front of my house at least twice. There aren't woods or fields within a half mile of me?
ya my dad lives in loudonville and he has them in his yard sometime. Nothin but houses all around no woods for at least a mile. Pretty crazy
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I have a question for the administrators. We have moderators listed on all the other sites. Never see them listed here. Are we hoping we don't need any? Some individuals will definitely take advantage of it. I may have been guilty of arguing my point but not to the point of name calling or being abusive. Plus if posts don't have viable meaning to why we are here then should be removed. JMO
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I have a question for the administrators. We have moderators listed on all the other sites. Never see them listed here. Are we hoping we don't need any? Some individuals will definitely take advantage of it. I may have been guilty of arguing my point but not to the point of name calling or being abusive. Plus if posts don't have viable meaning to why we are here then should be removed. JMO
To my knowledge "Scott" the site admin. is the one who police's this site. I am sure between here Iceshanty and My Fish Finder it is tough for him to keep up on. Whitetail Madness and myself are the Moderators of the Turkey Contest section but that is it. I can assure you and other members name calling or being abusive towards another member in that section will not be tolerated.
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All i know is if i was a deer!!!!Rather go out with a belly of corn,than my body eating my muscles and wither away in anguish and the pain of starvation..... 8)
Even before they execute murderers they give-em a last delicious meal!!!!! :-\
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Maybe we can vote for a MHF moderator???? See if the Administrators approve of it...
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Maybe we can vote for a MHF moderator???? See if the Administrators approve of it...
I nominate me!!!!! ;)
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Maybe we can vote for a MHF moderator???? See if the Administrators approve of it...
Sounds like a plan to me. I nominate you for the position.
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Maybe we can vote for a MHF moderator???? See if the Administrators approve of it...
I already sent scott a pm on MFF saying we need an active moderator here and sent my vote.
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Sounds like a plan to me. I nominate you for the position.
I second that nomination!!
Oh and I'll also add, great post Drob.