Just patterned my shotgun...wasnt really too impressed at 40 yards...5 BB's in kill zone, which I know is plenty, but Id rather opt for something denser...I tried winchesters and remingtons (both lead) in 12gauge 3" #4 mags...I shoot a Remington 11-87 with a super full Rem-choke. was just wondering what everyone elses opinion on the best load was for their gun...Ill go broke buying more brands for trial and error...thanks.