i always have my backpack hunting or fishing (except spring turkey) i over pack as well first aid stuff in plastic bags water snacks extra knife and a justin kit for jutincase lol my friend used to pick on me cause they were a little lighter but everyone of them has asked me for something from bandaids to extra water tp in the fall comes in handy with dry crinkly leaves but now there a little more prepared plus i have my kids alot so the 5 extra pounds and sweat is worth it