This is what I do. I take 5lbs Vension grind add 1 cup diced peppers, 1 cup diced onion, 3tbs salt, 3tbs pepper, 3 tbs onion powder, 3tbs garlic powder and mix well together. Then I take and run the mixture through my grinder (Apha MC5) again with a small plate to conceal the onions and peppers. This way my kids do not notice them. The moisture from the veggies keeps the burger moist and taste great. I have stored these for over 1 year (food Saver) and they still taste great.