A lot of those so called DEC surveys and reports are done by independents as well as some school programs such as Penn. state. When I reported a turkey band two springs ago, it went to Penn. state.They asked where it was killed and then argued that they had not tagged any within 50 miles of where I shot it. So I can't think these surveys are real reliable. If NYS has a ratio even close to that, the doe permits would be adjusted significantly lower...