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The Camp Fire => The Grumpy Old Men Hunting Shack => Topic started by: Whitetailer on Sep 07, 2006, 01:40:47 PM
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Ok, I guess this is the right place to run my mouth lol. My apologies for cluttering up the other thread.
I personally would be ashamed of myself to post pictures of hunting inside a fence. There was a comment made about hunting exotic species, and that it can't be done without a fence. Yes it can.. Its very simple actually. Buy a plane ticket and fly to wherever they exist naturally. If you can't afford it, go hunt deer, or moose or elk or birds or gophers or whatever DOES exist naturally in your area. This kind of thing is an embarassment to our sport and gives us all bad names and images as hunters.
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not every one can afford to go to Newzeland or Africa
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not every one can arord to go to Newzeland or africa
I can attest to that. And if an anti gets upset by it well they can just kiss my a**. I am not ashamed of "hunting inside a fence". It was a fair hunt and it was an exciting hunt.
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I'm not exactly "pro" on canned hunts, neither am I "con"...I'd say that I personally wouldn't go on one of them, however, I feel that if a person wants to do one of them for whatever reason then thats their choice.
Not everybody lives in an area where you can just walk out the back door and even shoot white tail...if they choose a canned hunt then I say let them be. I'm lucky and I can get deer right behind my house, however if I did ever feel the need for something more than deer I'm sure economic considerations would have to be a factor. If I really wanted a boar, dall ram, elk, etc...and money were no consideration (and that is a factor for a very small percentage of us) then I'd consider a "canned" hunt as you call it.
There are far more worse things in the works out there today than canned hunts...the "darting" of deer comes to mind.
Btw....I'm new here myself, but I know the person who has prompted you to make this thread..and I am acquainted with many of the people who post on here, and I can tell you from experience that being new as you are on this forum and posting as you have, is not the way to gain any acceptance whatsoever.
This site is about hunting, not about opinions of right or wrong..especially in something so prevalent these days about hunting on preserves...my .02 rant....Esox
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i would go against canned hunts for domestic animals, but if you dont have $10k+ to go where these animals are wild, how else could you get one? im not sure of the acerage on the nuge plantation but im sure its not really a canned hunt, these animals probably run in less area than he has in the wild? bu8t you need the fence to jeep the animals, especially the hogs, nasty animals in ther wild, but you cannot have them free ranging in the wild, in this case i think its a go with your gut scenerio, i mean if your on a ranch with feeders in front of your stand i can see your point, but then alot of hunts are low fence, mostly to keep predators out ??? i would go on a hunt like this for an exotic, but never for a domestic animal.
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I'd rather hunt in a large fenced in area....than over any bait in the "wild"
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I'd rather hunt in a large fenced in area....than over any bait in the "wild"
me too and i would hunt exotics in a fence cuz im not spending 10 ,000 $ on a hunting trip to some god forsaken 3rd world country full of disease and commies
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The fenced in hunt isn't for me. But I don't see a huge ethical problem either.
Hunters have enough trouble keeping anti-hunters away from our sport. We can't fight from the inside over something that is legal. We need to stick together. Big game hunters and small game hunters need each other. Bow hunters and rifle hunters need each other. Etc.
Let's stick together.
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not all hunters, that tranq. dart hunting is BS and going to ruin hunting if it goes that way!
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I'd rather hunt in a large fenced in area....than over any bait in the "wild"
Baiting bear here in Maine was a big issue not long ago and will arise again. I agree with baiting bear, it's pretty freekin hard to get otherwise and it's still pretty hard to get one to come in over bait - not to mention all the time spent baiting before the season starts. I'm not sure what other game animal you hunt over bait. ??? You can't bait deer here, but you can use scents, and calls. You can plant a field full of clover or some kind of deer food plots, but you can't throw a bunch apples on the ground and hunt over them. Seems like a very fine line to me.
As far as canned hunts go, it's never been my list of things to do, but I'm not saying that I wouldn't some day. :-\ I would like to go on an elk or mule deer hunt someday, but that wouldn't be in a fenced in area.
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im not one for baiting anything either, we cant bait bear in NY like some other states, yet we put in the work, walk way back in the brsh, keep alert and kick them out, sometimes you miss sometimes yoiu get one, hunting isnt supposed to be taking the easy way out, thats why baiting is called baiting and sitting in a stand, ground or tree, still, and stalking, are all called hunting.
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thats why baiting is called baiting and sitting in a stand, ground or tree, are all called hunting.
What's the difference between sitting over a food plot or doe in heat scents waiting for a deer, and sitting over bear bait waiting for a bear? It's still a food source or attractant of some kind for each animal.
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we cant do anyof that in NY, unless its a natural source and not planted for hunting or the feeding of wild animals in any way, you find a wild patch of apples, go for it, you find a half acre of clover go for it, you plant food to bring in animals to hunt over, well its baiting, wich is illegal here, im sure there are athor reasons stated as to why the crop was planted, but it still comes down to hanging a stand in the fall and we still manage some nice record book bucks, as i recall the winning buck came from NY in last years tourney, heck right from this area, and no bait, just hard work and "hunting"
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being new as you are on this forum and posting as you have, is not the way to gain any acceptance whatsoever.
Its a good thing for me that my chief concern isn't about being "accepted" into another internet forum lol. I really liked the looks of this site until I saw how many guys around here don't mind leading an animal into a fenced area, then killing it. Wow, you guys are real hunters ::) . Does it give you a special thrill if its tied up too?
What a farce, all of you that supported this crap are the reason hunting is losing popularity. You're an embarassment to all of us.
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i have shot a pig that was tied to a tree then we took it to the butcher
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i have shot a pig that was tied to a tree then we took it to the butcher
yeah, you almost shot me while i was bringing over the deer to shoot :D
you dont can hunt, but im sure being in canada you sit over a big ol 50 gallon drum full of bear bait dont you ???
im glad your not worried about being accepted in "another" forum, and if you think hunting is loosing popularity because of hunters your an idiot, it has to do more with the TV, computers, video games, most kids, especially those that dont have parents that hunt dont leave the house other that to and from school, and with internet college some dont even leave for that anymore, why would these pale skinned lazy video game playing kids have any interest in the outdoors, without people to take them they wont do it, and as much as im not a fan of canned hunts, they do alot of sponsorships to inner city kids to introduce them to the lifestyle and get more kids asking questions and enjoying the outdoors.
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Its a good thing for me that my chief concern isn't about being "accepted" into another internet forum lol. I really liked the looks of this site until I saw how many guys around here don't mind leading an animal into a fenced area, then killing it. Wow, you guys are real hunters ::) . Does it give you a special thrill if its tied up too?
What a farce, all of you that supported this crap are the reason hunting is losing popularity. You're an embarassment to all of us.
Wow..I'll bet you consider all those hunting shows televised are an embarrassment as well?? Considering that many many many hunts are offered in Canada (that is where your from, correct??) you must be embarrased of your brethren as well..not for actually making the kill, but for arranging and condoning it, right?? Or is it ok as long as you aren't the actual trigger man?? Esox
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ill shoot anything that has a season and if it is an exotic from far away land that was brought here to hunt on a ranch like uncle teds i would shoot that too
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so i bet you never took your kids to the fair and let them fish out of the trout pond=pool ...canned fishing oh no now we have a new gripe i bet
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yeah those canned hunts up in canada account for how much money in the canadian system? how much american money at that ??? all the great wildlife in canada gets monry from those hunts to preserve the wildlife doesnt it? isnt that the wildlife you hunt?
should you go in a cage and shoot an animal, should you sit over a moultry feeder and hunt? no the bear thing is my personal thing, but if its legal where people are from than so be it, i was obviously raised with different ethics becaue its not legal here, if i was raised where its legal i would probably have a couple drums set out ??? what i have learned here is that it doesnt help to argue, believe me, i think iwent through it for 10 pages last year with a couple people, if its legal its legal ??? you dont like it, dont do it, but dont say its the reason hunting popularity is down, sadly with the lazy kids these days, it may be the only way to get them back into hunting, plus, your knocking a BIG source of your contries economy, and monies to preserve you great hunting land, and abundance of animals. unless of course you would like us americans to stop coming up there and spending our money causing people to sell there land to developers to make a profit ???
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man, your the biggest arguer on here, freaking retard :D
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if you want to hunt with in a fence then be my guest if you don't thats fine too . choice it's what makes this country so good. oh.... and whitetrailer good thing you don't care about being accepted, your not
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man, your the biggest arguer on here, freaking retard :D
no i'm not ;D
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no i'm not ;D
yes you are, see, you got me into an argument :D
if you want to hunt with in a fence then be my guest if you don't thats fine too . choice it's what makes this country so good. oh.... and whitetrailer good thing you don't care about being accepted, your not
hes not from this country.
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I've had a long day today, and I've been following this thread a bit.......and when I came accross your poster ifishi, even though it's poor taste, I laughed my a-- off. ;D
You made a good point about the kids today being lazy, arch. It's really sad. What are their kids going to be like?
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hes not from this country.
thats my point
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You made a good point about the kids today being lazy, arch. It's really sad. What are their kids going to be like?
yes it is sad, i have 3 kids 12, 9, and 4, they all love the outdoors, they are always building forts, playing with animals, getting cuts and scrapes, falling out of trees, and riding there bikes around, they all love to go hunting, there a little stir crazy fishing, but they love to be outside, most kids nowadays will never experiance any of that good stuff, cuts, scrapes, fort building, etc... but they can shoot a crack head or beat up a whore on a video game at age 6, its really a shame.
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I've had a long day today, and I've been following this thread a bit.......and when I came accross your poster ifishi, even though it's poor taste, I laughed my a-- off. ;D
You made a good point about the kids today being lazy, arch. It's really sad. What are their kids going to be like?
Ifishi, I am a special ed teacher and even I laughed at your post.
I have been to two enclosed hunting preserves. one was an 100 acres in NY and the Nuge ranch is 400 acres. Some texas ranches are in the 10,000 acres ore more totally enclosed. Whats the big deal. As long as the animal has a chance to run and escape the hunter it is a fair hunt. Most of these preserves do not gaurantee success.
As for Canada, I could never live in a place that does not allow its citizens to own hand guns. Thank god for the Second Amendment!!!
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Its a good thing for me that my chief concern isn't about being "accepted" into another internet forum lol. I really liked the looks of this site until I saw how many guys around here don't mind leading an animal into a fenced area, then killing it. Wow, you guys are real hunters ::) . Does it give you a special thrill if its tied up too?
What a farce, all of you that supported this crap are the reason hunting is losing popularity. You're an embarassment to all of us.
Farce?? Here's a farce for you. You need to realize that not everybody lives with 1000 square miles of open hunting land as you do in Alberta. You need to realize that some states do not have a wealth of public hunting land. You need to realize that just because your opinion differs from some other people, doesn't make them all wrong. You need to realize that you aren't the only person with an opinion. You need to realize that when you make a comment such as you did on an open forum, you'll catch some varied opinions, especially in light of the strong statement you made about embarassing.
What was that one comment you made earlier?? Oh yeah..if all you've got to shoot are woodchucks then thats all you should shoot....thats rich...if Alberta banned deer hunting right now and perhaps they "socialized" hunting in the same way a lot of things are socialized in Canada, would you quit hunting?? What if you had to pay to hunt in another province and the only place allowed to hunt was a game preserve, would you sell your rifles and quit the sport? What if the only place they allowed hunting in Alberta was on a preserve, would you quit? I highly doubt it.
It's all well and good to have beliefs, but realization that you aren't the only one with an opinion that counts is a requirement as well,,,hunting on game ranches, preserves, call them what you will is completely legal and an accepted practice. Deal with that fact. I suppose that you don't approve of the caribou hunts up near Sheperdsville either, all a person has to do is shoot into the herd of a few thousand and collect whichever one drops. Most hunters don't hunt in this manner, but I'm sure there are a few non ethical types that aren't proficient in their firearms use and do just that...is that ok with you?? I mean..what could be easier, shoot in the general direction of the herd and take the one you manage through luck only to hit?? It's not in a fenced in area so does that make it ok?? There's nothing more thrilling than whacking a 'bou from a herd of a few thousand when they're on their migratory run like lemmings now is there??
I'd be interested to know how many places in Alberta offered "canned hunts"...and since I doubt you'd be willing to provide that information to us "embarassing" hunters down this way I guess I'll have to Google it and see what I can find out, since there's a good chance many of your Provincial countrymen are making money off what you deem an embarrassing and detrimental type of hunting...
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all i have to say is...... Dee Dee Dee
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I don't think the decline of hunting and fishing popularity is a result of canned hunts. The people who are totally against the canned hunts are generally against hunting in general anyway. I think the decline in popularity is a result of older generations passing away while new generations are not taking up the sports as much.
The whole topic of kids not getting outdoors is frustrating to me at times. I try to get my two boys out as much as possible. When I get them out - or force them outside to the woods near the house if I can't go - they have a blast. In the end, they have so much more fun than being in front of a tv/computer/etc. But the next day, they gravitate right back to the the electronics. :P
Of course, look at me. As a displaced Pittsburgh native, I follow the sports teams on the internet and spend a half hour or so every day reading sports pages over the internet. And don't ask how much time I spend on MFF, IS and MHF! :'(
The sad fact is that as time goes on, hunting and fishing will be less and less popular. Most kids - and many adults - don't have the patience required. Success and excitement can be hours away when hunting and fishing. If you don't have a general appreciation of just being outdoors and the whole experience, it is easy to move to the electronics. Fire up the computer and you can be having excitement in 5 minutes - each and every time. :-[
All that we can do as hunters/fishermen ourselves is do our best to get our kids involved.
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dont ever buy a pork chop again...thats essentially what roy did...hows that n e different..i think the point your making is about wild animals...he shot a darn pig..
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dont ever buy a pork chop again...thats essentially what roy did...hows that n e different..i think the point your making is about wild animals...he shot a darn pig..
;D ;D
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I'm aware of the fact that theres losers in Alberta that sell and purchase canned hunts as well. I never said it was exlusive to the US (not anymore anyway). People are people, whether its American, Canadian, Paki or anything else, theres gonna be losers everywhere you go, just like theres winners everywhere you go. We've got trespassers, road hunters and poachers too lol. I'm not proud of the fact that its done here in Alberta too. And to answer your question, if the only legal hunting left around here was fenced in animals, yup, I would sell my bow, rifles and shotguns and take up golf. I enjoy hunting, putting an animal inside a fence and killing it isn't hunting, anybody that partakes in it, sure as hell ain't a hunter.
And to the boobs that said canned hunts are a great way to get kids started in hunting.. I feel sorry for your kids. You're teaching them no respect for the game they are hunting at all. I'd suggest you immediatley take yourself out of the gene pool lol.
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you know..wait a minute...the more i think about this the more upset i get ...first off...i might have been inclined to agree with you had you not been so rude ...he shot a boar and a goat...not the buffalo you felt so sorry for..second you rain all over somebodies parade in what may be a proud moment for them(but oh well right). second..you stated "thats the reason our sport is losing popularity" ..i ask you..whens the last time you did anything positive for the outdoors besides buy a lisence...especially in a country that habitually steps all over their hunters heritages. before you get all puffy know that i sit on the oakland county chapter of ducks unlimated and the north oakland wild turkey federation and the clinton river chapter of trout unlimited and have volunteered for numerous workings in my chapters areas and am also a dual citizen of canada and the us with residency in brights grove ontario. dont assume to be the champion of all things right. your bashing of "fellow" sportsman based soley on your alone beliefs is in fact the reason our sport is losing popularity. its people who spout off about their beliefs with bashing and insults at community confrences againts anti hunters that loose support..its the undiplomatic way you defend your beliefs as a hunter that turn up noses in the non hunting community. Wake up man. if hunters are getting all pissy (even those,myself,that share some amount of agreement with your feelings) are turning their noses up at you..ask yourself how am i helping the sport i so dearly love.
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I'm aware of the fact that theres losers in Alberta that sell and purchase canned hunts as well. I never said it was exlusive to the US (not anymore anyway). People are people, whether its American, Canadian, Paki or anything else, theres gonna be losers everywhere you go, just like theres winners everywhere you go. We've got trespassers, road hunters and poachers too lol. I'm not proud of the fact that its done here in Alberta too. And to answer your question, if the only legal hunting left around here was fenced in animals, yup, I would sell my bow, rifles and shotguns and take up golf. I enjoy hunting, putting an animal inside a fence and killing it isn't hunting, anybody that partakes in it, sure as hell ain't a hunter.
And to the boobs that said canned hunts are a great way to get kids started in hunting.. I feel sorry for your kids. You're teaching them no respect for the game they are hunting at all. I'd suggest you immediatley take yourself out of the gene pool lol.
So your saying that if a person from the city doesn't have 1000 miles or so at his disposal, and not enough money to afford to go on a hunt to far away places, and wants to hunt, he should forget it just because the canned hunt might be the only option for him?? Wow, thats a GREAT way to increase participation in the world of hunting....and isn't that a point you made about the decline of people participating??
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..i ask you..whens the last time you did anything positive for the outdoors besides buy a lisence...
Wrong question to ask the wrong guy lol....
Would you like to hear about the time I donate to the hunting mentorship program every friday night, the 12-16 year old kids I take hunting weekly? Or the guided waterfowl trips I donate to youth groups every year? Or the guided fly fishing trips I donate to the same youth groups every year? Or maybe I should just tell you about the 10-12 kids from the neighborhood I take hunting every fall. I spend 3 x as much time teaching kids how to be a HUNTER as I do hunting for myself.
Didn't mean to sound like I'm blowing my own horn..... you asked lol.
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So your saying that if a person from the city doesn't have 1000 miles or so at his disposal, and not enough money to afford to go on a hunt to far away places, and wants to hunt, he should forget it just because the canned hunt might be the only option for him?? Wow, thats a GREAT way to increase participation in the world of hunting....and isn't that a point you made about the decline of people participating??
There is always an alternative to a canned hunt. If you can afford to pay the yahoos that run these places, you can afford to drive an hour or two to hunt somewhere else. And now the next excuse is going to be "theres no public land within a comfortable driving distance for a day hunt". As hard to believe as this would be, it may be accurate in some places, and the answer is private land, get a county landowners map, a telephone, 2 hours of your time after dinner and a pot of coffee.
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no thats really good...im glad to hear it actually..the country really despretly needs it....thats why i volunteer so much of my time to conservation efforts as well...my state(mi) has the lowest hunter recruitment of any state in the union...its important..the main purpose of my point was that i spend alot of time writting legalslators and at debates over hunting issues...diplomacy...not brashness...are the best answers..im not saying you cant have an opinion...by no means do i mean that...but if you cant be tactfull with fellow hunters...theres no way you can do it with those who dont...becareful really. tone it down a notch..i hate trophy hunting...big ranchs and even bigger animals because they are bread geniticly superior...but it was a boar hunt...a pig..and a goat. all items raised and slaughterd for everybody. i would be on your side if it was the buffalo standing next to the fence..but it wasnt..it was a pig.
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I tend to have a pretty hot head for this kind of stuff, and my apologies for coming off strong. Whether its a pig, a goat, a pigeon or a coyote, at the end of the day, its still a life that deserves respect, and its our job as stewards of the environment to show the due respect for that life. As hunters, we show that respect in the manner in which the life is taken. Putting it inside a fence and killing it is disrespectful. I realize that we as a species routinley raise animals in poor conditions soley for the purpose of slaughtering and consuming, and I don't agree with the way this is done, but you gotta fight the battles that have a glimmer of hope of winning lol.
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There is always an alternative to a canned hunt. If you can afford to pay the yahoos that run these places, you can afford to drive an hour or two to hunt somewhere else. And now the next excuse is going to be "theres no public land within a comfortable driving distance for a day hunt". As hard to believe as this would be, it may be accurate in some places, and the answer is private land, get a county landowners map, a telephone, 2 hours of your time after dinner and a pot of coffee.
I could argue every one of your posts with valid reasons that you might not understand, due to your location versus some of the areas we have to endure down here, based solely on the population differences. No insult to your intelligence is inferred by that statement. Public(and private) lands are not as prevalent as you might believe..and in the "southern tier" region of this state, there is a lot of public land available, but during the deer season there, it can sound like a war zone....everybody and their brother hits the woods for the deer season and hunting on this public land is near impossible....
We agree to disagree...and in light of being a part of a society that endorses that mode of thinking, then so be it.....
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i cant wait till i go hunting in the zoo ,their are so many differant animals their to hunt and its a very short walk from cage to cage. then the following week im going to the aquarium to catch me some fish in those nice tanks,boy i cant wait so is this how you feel most americans hunt and fish
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i cant wait till i go hunting in the zoo ,their are so many differant animals their to hunt and its a very short walk from cage to cage. then the following week im going to the aquarium to catch me some fish in those nice tanks,boy i cant wait so is this how you feel most americans hunt and fish
I'd like to think most Americans are responsible, ethical hunters. Because 99% of the hunting shows we get up here in the GWN are American filmed, all I have to go on is what we see on your tv shows.....and the better part of that is filmed inside a fence. Having said that, most of the time hunters are portrayed on shows OTHER than specific hunting shows, we're portrayed as boobs, so this isn't a reliable means of information by any account. I've never hunted in the US at all, and jusging by what I read on the American hunting forums, see on the American Tv shows, and hear from my American buddies, I don't think I'd ever feel the need to hunt down there. I realize that a huge portion of the US is overcrowded with hunters, and you guys are losing your battle down there and for that I sympathize with you, but these high fence hunts arn't the answer. Instead of paying for these BS "hunts", why not support your local pro-hunting organizations? In Alberta we have an organization called "Hunting for Tomorrow" which couples first time youth (and adult) hunters with qualified hunting mentors and guides to teach them about our sport. We also have organizations like the Alberta United Recreationilst Society (AURS), the Use Respect Program, and hundreds of local Fish and Game clubs that work their butts off to deal with the challenges hunters face. Surely you have similar organizations in your home state. They are all under funded because even though hunters bitch, piss and moan about how hard it is to gain access to private land, how close the quarters are getting on public land, and everything else we bitch about, HARDLY ANYBODY contributes time or capital to these hard working organizations. In my opinion, anybody that dosn't regularly volunteer, contribute or both to such organizations, has absolutley no right to complain one syllable about poor conditions.
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but here in the U.S. we keep dangerous animals behind high fences but you Canadians open the gate for dangerous animals = terrorists, and thats how they keep ending up over here in the U.S. sorry but i had to vent
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but here in the U.S. we keep dangerous animals behind high fences but you Canadians open the gate for dangerous animals = terrorists, and thats how they keep ending up over here in the U.S. sorry but i had to vent
Oh for fucks sake, how immature is that? I'm not even gonna get into that debate, we were talking about hunting until you dropped the average IQ of the thread.
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i just figured i would stoop to your level and perspective on things
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i just figured i would stoop to your level and perspective on things
Ha, the same old business adage always applies, once they run out of intelligent things to say, they start with perosnal attacks. Grow up.
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but here in the U.S. we keep dangerous animals behind high fences but you Canadians open the gate for dangerous animals = terrorists, and thats how they keep ending up over here in the U.S. sorry but i had to vent
Translated from DUMB to ENGLISH = I'm a worthless putz that dosn't support any of the groups trying to help me, but I can't say that, so I better start bashing the guys country.
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Translated from DUMB to ENGLISH = I'm a worthless putz that dosn't support any of the groups trying to help me, but I can't say that, so I better start bashing the guys country.
isnt that what you did first saying the us and their canned hunts and our ethics about hunting
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isnt that what you did first saying the us and their canned hunts and our ethics about hunting
Show me anywhere in my posts where I made reference to "the us and their canned hunts and our ethics about hunting"
Brain first, type second.
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http://www.myhuntingforum.com/hunting_forum/index.php?topic=809.0
Heres a link to the original thread.
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anyone can delete a post
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Heh heh heh, ok I'm callin your bluff. This is a proboard, I'm a proboard admin myself. Would the admin here please check your security log and verify for this guy that none of my posts have been removed?
It ain't worth sayin somthin if you're going to take it back, delete it or deny sayin it.
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do you realy think i care what you have to say
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so why does it take you so long to reply ? did you have to tighten the string between your soup can internet connection ;D ;D ;D LOL
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whitetailer, you have to be an idoit to bring you new ass in here and start talking all kinds of trash and not expecting us to slam you back what are you thinking? if you trully are such a good sportsman then why would you start trouble like this , if you are trying to make a point and get people to understand where you are coming from then maybe take a look and see where we are coming from. if you don't like them fine but that does not make the rest of us wrong. now if you can't play nice then go to another site to start trouble, we don't need that here
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i did get a little carried away but i just didn't like his views or attitude about this subject
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so why does it take you so long to reply ?
Its hunting season here, and the land I hunt on dosn't close at 5! ;D
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Baiting bear here in Maine was a big issue not long ago and will arise again. I agree with baiting bear, it's pretty freekin hard to get otherwise and it's still pretty hard to get one to come in over bait - not to mention all the time spent baiting before the season starts. I'm not sure what other game animal you hunt over bait. ??? You can't bait deer here, but you can use scents, and calls. You can plant a field full of clover or some kind of deer food plots, but you can't throw a bunch apples on the ground and hunt over them. Seems like a very fine line to me.
As far as canned hunts go, it's never been my list of things to do, but I'm not saying that I wouldn't some day. :-\ I would like to go on an elk or mule deer hunt someday, but that wouldn't be in a fenced in area.
That's why us hunters and sportsmen need to stick together on these issues. Not be pitted against each other. Just because you don't approve of one mans method dosn't mean it's neccessarily wrong or unethicle.
The bear baiting issue was big in Maine and if the group who was trying to outlaw it(The Humane Society of the United States)http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_facing_wildlife/hunting/ (http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_facing_wildlife/hunting/) had succeeded who's to say the following year they wouldn't be back trying to outlaw using scents for deer hunting, it is a form of baiting isn't it? What about decoys for duck hunting? Unethical? In some peoples minds it is. How about baits and lures for fishing? THE HORROR!!
Where would it end?
I understand Whitetailers thoughts, although outlawing one type of hunting only opens the door for more types of closures. Much like the thoughts of the NRA has on why assualt rifles and certain types of ammo shouldn't be banned even when most of us hunters don't use them. Give the anti's an inch and they'll take a mile.
Check out these guys who may be seen at a local boat launch by you soon. :o
http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-newcomic.asp (http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-newcomic.asp)
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That's why us hunters and sportsmen need to stick together on these issues. Not be pitted against each other. Just because you don't approve of one mans method dosn't mean it's neccessarily wrong or unethicle.
The bear baiting issue was big in Maine and if the group who was trying to outlaw it(The Humane Society of the United States)http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_facing_wildlife/hunting/ (http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_facing_wildlife/hunting/) had succeeded who's to say the following year they wouldn't be back trying to outlaw using scents for deer hunting, it is a form of baiting isn't it? What about decoys for duck hunting? Unethical? In some peoples minds it is. How about baits and lures for fishing? THE HORROR!!
Where would it end?
I understand Whitetailers thoughts, although outlawing one type of hunting only opens the door for more types of closures. Much like the thoughts of the NRA has on why assualt rifles and certain types of ammo shouldn't be banned even when most of us hunters don't use them. Give the anti's an inch and they'll take a mile.
Check out these guys who may be seen at a local boat launch by you soon. :o
http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-newcomic.asp (http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-newcomic.asp)
I know it's being a dickhead..but I just went to the PETA site and see there is no link to "contact them" like on most legitimate web organizations....
All I wanted to do was offer them a few pounds of venison and a bag of fish fillets for their next get together....Esox
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I know it's being a dickhead..but I just went to the PETA site and see there is no link to "contact them" like on most legitimate web organizations....
All I wanted to do was offer them a few pounds of venison and a bag of fish fillets for their next get together....Esox
how thoughtful of you ::) ;D
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I know it's being a dickhead..but I just went to the PETA site and see there is no link to "contact them" like on most legitimate web organizations....
All I wanted to do was offer them a few pounds of venison and a bag of fish fillets for their next get together....Esox
I checked it out too. I not find a contact link in a couple of minutes - if it's there, it's buried pretty well. But the donation button was easy to find.
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Heh heh heh, ok I'm callin your bluff. This is a proboard, I'm a proboard admin myself. Would the admin here please check your security log and verify for this guy that none of my posts have been removed?
It ain't worth sayin somthin if you're going to take it back, delete it or deny sayin it.
Oh for fucks sake, how immature is that? I'm not even gonna get into that debate, we were talking about hunting until you dropped the average IQ of the thread.
why dont you have the administration check this dillweed ??? what about the kids on here? all your posts are about bashing a valued member on all three of these site and his choice, not yours to go to uncle teds for a hunt that otherwise may not have happened or cost 10's of thousands of dollars, why dont you forget about this post and post some valued information instead of your opinion of others, and were not talking about hunting, were talking about opinions, and honestly, from what i see, even the people on here that dont believe in canned hunts disagree with you because your just a plain ass, adkroy is a grown man that spent his own money to go on a hunt of his choice and put meat in his freezer for his family. why does this bother you so much? like i said earlier, alot of your countries economy is based on canned hunt moey from canadians and americans alike, heck lets ban canned hunts and make the outfitters have to seel there land and well just develope the hell out of canada!
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why dont you have the administration check this dillweed ??? what about the kids on here? all your posts are about bashing a valued member on all three of these site and his choice, not yours to go to uncle teds for a hunt that otherwise may not have happened or cost 10's of thousands of dollars, why dont you forget about this post and post some valued information instead of your opinion of others, and were not talking about hunting, were talking about opinions, and honestly, from what i see, even the people on here that dont believe in canned hunts disagree with you because your just a plain ass, adkroy is a grown man that spent his own money to go on a hunt of his choice and put meat in his freezer for his family. why does this bother you so much? like i said earlier, alot of your countries economy is based on canned hunt moey from canadians and americans alike, heck lets ban canned hunts and make the outfitters have to seel there land and well just develope the hell out of canada!
AMEN
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The "Outfitters" (if you want to disgrace the name) that run canned hunts in Alberta are frowned upon in the industry by the rest of us, and are laughed out of the circle.Its undesirable anywhere in the world, but especially around here, where there is so much wild land and wild animals to hunt, and guide clients to. The bottom line is, in my opinion, anybody that partakes in this crap is lazy. Its even more morally reprehensible than road hunting. Several references were made to this guy going on a "hunt". Its not a hunt lol, its a joke. Its a lazy, unskilled sloth that gets his kicks from killing an animal in a pen.
Obviously the smell in the air around here is pretty consistent. Being that this board seems to be 99% american, my take is that american hunters are all for this. Good for you guys lol, the rest of us are laughing at you.
I really thought this board had a nice feel to it when I found it, apparently not lol. Looks like a bunch of keyboard hunters. Hey you guys should check out that online dart hunting deal... you could do it from home, in your slippers! Never even have to go out and start your Honda lol. Maybe for an extra couple hundred bucks, they'll tie it to a tree for you, or beat it over the head so its slow and groggy.
Enjoy killing my sport. Hopefully all the rest of the countries in the world that figure you have your heads up your ass won't get to you before you're done eh? :D
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The "Outfitters" (if you want to disgrace the name) that run canned hunts in Alberta are frowned upon in the industry by the rest of us, and are laughed out of the circle.Its undesirable anywhere in the world, but especially around here, where there is so much wild land and wild animals to hunt, and guide clients to. The bottom line is, in my opinion, anybody that partakes in this crap is lazy. Its even more morally reprehensible than road hunting. Several references were made to this guy going on a "hunt". Its not a hunt lol, its a joke. Its a lazy, unskilled sloth that gets his kicks from killing an animal in a pen.
Obviously the smell in the air around here is pretty consistent. Being that this board seems to be 99% american, my take is that american hunters are all for this. Good for you guys lol, the rest of us are laughing at you.
I really thought this board had a nice feel to it when I found it, apparently not lol. Looks like a bunch of keyboard hunters. Hey you guys should check out that online dart hunting deal... you could do it from home, in your slippers! Never even have to go out and start your Honda lol. Maybe for an extra couple hundred bucks, they'll tie it to a tree for you, or beat it over the head so its slow and groggy.
Enjoy killing my sport. Hopefully all the rest of the countries in the world that figure you have your heads up your ass won't get to you before you're done eh? :D
I had decided to keep my mouth shut until I saw the comment about the "rest of you" laughing at us. Kiss my royal American ass you stupid bastard. If it weren't for the dollars we pumped into that sickly economy of yours through such things as canned hunts, taking trips there to help support your tiny little world up there, you'd still be the equivalent of some 3rd world shithole, only you'd have more trees.
As far as lazy is concerned..I seem to recall something in your government a few years ago petitioning Parliament about the one month during the course of the year that you Canadians didn't have a 3 day weekend, so you created a holiday (or wanted to) so you guys could have a 3 day weekend every month..lazy?? PLEASE!!
Trust me...you and your stupid fanatic thought process is going to kill your sport far faster than we who have open minds ever will...please live long enough so you can start seeing those vast expanses of open land you so much enjoy start falling under the swath of the chainsaw and see those nice condo's rising out of the pristine forests.
The smell?? Better check whats spewing from your mouth bud, cause I can smell it also, way down here in the land of open mindedness.....
Finally, if you had the common sense to actually go and read that thread on dart hunting, you'd find that we are vehemently opposed to it....need I explain the word vehemently to you??
Computer hunters?? Nope, the computer is a great tool for picking up vast amounts of wisdom, learning new things, etc...and also for showing true horses ass colors...and we've got a winner in that category, tucked away in all that vast pristine wilderness you call home.
You can tell all your narrow minded buddies that think like you do up there that this arrogant, lazy, smelly, keyboard hunting AMERICAN says to kiss my white gun toting ASS....
Tell ya what, dickhead...the chance ever arises, lets just make it you and I in the woods, we'll see who survives and who walks away..I'll put my skills in the woods against somebody like you any day of the week, give me 24 hours and I'll have you crying for your freaking mother......moron....
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well said esox... 8)
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whitetailer, you are obviously a prick no it all that doesnt understand what he is talking about, is hunting in a area of 10,000 acres really a canned hunt? thats more of shooting fish in an ocean that a barrel, majority of your canadian outfitters other than migratory animals are fenced in genius, like i said, go into the site and post usefull information instead of posting your opinions as fact, and when we want to kill your sport we will stop coming to canada and putting our valued dollar into your economy!
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I think I speak for many of us when I ask that you not return to this forum Whitetailer.
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Whitetailer..is this line of thought the crap you spew when your volunteering all this time you proclaim to?? If it is , sir, then I charge that YOU are doing far more to eliminate the sport of hunting far faster than anybody who will ever partake in a canned hunt.
If your geographical location were different and you lived in a densly populated section of the country, would your thought process ( or lack thereof) be the same?? I hardly think so. And if it were, then you'd be just another non-hunter, and isn't that what you fear most?
ADKRoy took an animal on a 400 acre preserve...I don't know about you, but where I hunt, 400 acres is a nice patch of heavily wooded area, and I sure as hell can't see the deer that far away...I have to stalk to get a good clean shot at my targeted species, a good long shot down this way is 200 yards unless you are hunting in an open field. If I shoot a deer at lets say 5-600 yards in an open field, is that ethical in your mind? The deer has no clue I'm there, he can't smell me, he sure can't see me..so am I hunting ethically?
Do you use camoflage clothing to hunt?? Unfair to the game in question. Do you use scent blocker materials?? Unfair once again....do you use laser rangefinders or bino's to spot and see game?? Unfair,,,the deer don't have bino's, why should you? Do you use scents to bring in the bucks, or calls?? Unfair once again.... I assume you do use a weapon to hunt...how fair using your logic is that?? Those poor deer, no way to defend themselves. Unless you're using nothing more than a sharpened stick to take your game, then you are just as unethical as you claim we are. I would assume that since you are so concerned about fair hunting of animals you stand in the middle of an open field, waving your arms so the game in question has every bit of a fair chance as you spout off on here about.
Perhaps you should contact PETA...make a large generous donation to them, but only with the understanding that the money be used only to ban the canned hunt you so strongly loathe. Think I'm way off in left field on this comment?? Hardly any more off in left field as you are in spouting off as you have here about the way you "virginally pure" hunt up that way...
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I think I speak for many of us when I ask that you not return to this forum Whitetailer.
I sincerely doubt he comes back. I don't think he's got the mental clarity to see beyond his own VERY narrow minded point of view..and besides...he's probably out right now sharpening sticks in his loincloth so he can ethically hunt, if he is indeed as ethically pure in regard to the hunt as he professes to be.
Good riddance to him and his kind....he won't be missed.....Esox .... Although I would sorely enjoy debating with this guy, I love a good arguement.......I don't think he's up the level of debate I'm ready to offer....
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hey crowkiller, pick me up on your way to the zoo, i need to sight in my 12 gauge :D
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hey crowkiller, pick me up on your way to the zoo, i need to sight in my 12 gauge :D
what day and time
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ADKRoy took an animal on a 400 acre preserve...I don't know about you, but where I hunt, 400 acres is a nice patch of heavily wooded area, and I sure as hell can't see the deer that far away...
400 acres lol, thats a postage stamp of land, its amazing that you are actually arguing that its fair to "hunt" an animal inside a cage...because its 400 acres lol. You think its fair because you can't see from fence to fence? Utilizing this logic, a 3 acre cage would be fair then if it were dense forest correct?
Just out of sheer curiosity.... does the price go up with larger cages because it feels more like reality, or does it go down because fewer americans are willing to actually walk more ground to kill their animal? All shots aside, I'm curious.
If I shoot a deer at lets say 5-600 yards in an open field, is that ethical in your mind?
This debate has been done to death for years. My take on it, is that its totally dependent on the hunter, his marksmanship abilities and the conditions. For me, I wouldn't take a 5-600 yard shot at anything because thats not what I go hunting for. I go hunting to enjoy getting close to what I'm after, outsmarting it and making a clean kill. Long range shooting is a lot of fun, some guys are really good at it. If you are certain you can make as good a shot at 5-600 yards as you can at considerably lesser yardage, its a personal call and I wouldn't fault a guy for it.
Now we're getting into other issues that are irrelvent to the issue discussed in this thread.
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Do you use camoflage clothing to hunt?? Unfair to the game in question. Do you use scent blocker materials?? Unfair once again....do you use laser rangefinders or bino's to spot and see game?? Unfair,,,the deer don't have bino's, why should you? Do you use scents to bring in the bucks, or calls?? Unfair once again.... I assume you do use a weapon to hunt...how fair using your logic is that?? Those poor deer, no way to defend themselves. Unless you're using nothing more than a sharpened stick to take your game, then you are just as unethical as you claim we are. I would assume that since you are so concerned about fair hunting of animals you stand in the middle of an open field, waving your arms so the game in question has every bit of a fair chance as you spout off on here about.
This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read.... but what the hell, I'll bite.
Are you really comparing dressing in camo, using scent blocker and optics to catching a wild animal, flying it halfway across the world and putting it in a cage for some slack jawed yocal to kill? Apples and oranges. On one side, you have a human who has obviously done at least some research (minimal as it may be) into what he is doing. Dressing in clothing that blends in, covering your scent and using optics to spot your game. On the other side, you have a human who walks into a cage twice the size of my backyard and kills an animal that is held captive there.
Is that the comparison you're making?
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If it weren't for the dollars we pumped into that sickly economy of yours through such things as canned hunts, taking trips there to help support your tiny little world up there, you'd still be the equivalent of some 3rd world s**thole, only you'd have more trees.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I guess its true what they say, in Canada, our schools teach our kids 60% about our country, and 40% about the rest of the world. In the states, your kids are taught all about how special they are lol. If you brushed up on your current events there yank, you'd discover that the Province of Alberta has the most booming economy of any other province or state in North America, and has had for the past 5 years. Anybody that wants to work is making money here, and damn good money. As a matter of fact, american tourism has been steadily declining for the past 5 years as well, and wanna know why? Because our buck is gaining more and more value every day, and most americans just can't afford it anymore lol. Hows that foot tastin right 'bout now? lol
As far as lazy is concerned..I seem to recall something in your government a few years ago petitioning Parliament about the one month during the course of the year that you Canadians didn't have a 3 day weekend, so you created a holiday (or wanted to) so you guys could have a 3 day weekend every month..lazy?? PLEASE!!
Absolutley! Its a great idea! You're gonna try and tell me that if you had a long weekend once a month..... you'd be upset? lol Apparently the crack problem in the states is as bad as the media makes it out to be lol.
And in regards to "your woodsman skills against mine" lol, why don't we keep it at your level..... lets meet at the bike racks after school. :D :D :D
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majority of your canadian outfitters other than migratory animals are fenced in genius,
Heh heh, nope. Not even close. As I stated earlier, this garbage does exist in Alberta, and its embarassing. However, the number of legitimate Albertan outfitters that pursue wild game, in wild country outnumbers the other losers by a HUGE margin.I'm personally aware of 2 places in Alberta that offer cage hunting. I'm also personally aware of about 400 legitimate outfitters. Once again, brain first, type second.
And although I have no data to base the following statement on, my gut feeling tells me that the same would be true of many american states.
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Don't forget canada has their shut down weeks in the summer where most businesses shut down for 2-4 weeks so their employees have their vacations.
Look what ever this crazy canuck spouts out it does not diminish the fact that I got to hunt on TED NUGENT's Land!!!! I would do it again in a heart beat. I might even stay in Michigan longer to meet some of my fellow michigan hunters from this site. Thank god most of the Canadians that I've know from all three sites are gentlemen and not raving lunatics like Hillary Clint...er....Whitetailer. ;D
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Heh heh, nope. Not even close. As I stated earlier, this garbage does exist in Alberta, and its embarassing. However, the number of legitimate Albertan outfitters that pursue wild game, in wild country outnumbers the other losers by a HUGE margin.I'm personally aware of 2 places in Alberta that offer cage hunting. I'm also personally aware of about 400 legitimate outfitters. Once again, brain first, type second.
And although I have no data to base the following statement on, my gut feeling tells me that the same would be true of many american states.
brain first type second about what? you can say what you want, but just look it up, your wrong!
unless you use the mushrat way of addition :D
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WC he just another one of those asses that feels the need to join every hunting forum to validate his inadequacies in hunting, he will argue all the way instead of seeing he is not wanted or welcome with us, he will sit in here and rack up 50 posts arguing a retarded argument instead of actually posting info or picks to show he is a valued member, the only thing he values is his opinion, and as backwoods and backwards as it is, he will not budge on being an arsehole!
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yeah, leave the attacks to PG and his sheep :D
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im to pissed to comment..but i will. this thread..with whitetailler and other members is the key example why the "anti's" are gonna win there battle against us...drop your blanket statements whitetailer..i have met some real idiots in canada as well. as well as many "slack jawed yocals" the only difference is they dont have a southern drawl..its usually a newfie accent. you dont agree with caged hunts...great...dont spread and flame it to be an american thing...you said yourself there are canadian outfitters(as well as those in alberta) that do the same thing...so why the attacks... a true squire and diplomat of his sport would ignore petty taunts and get his point across. your location makes you feel superior...dont let it...your country is loosing its battle..its not caged hunts loosing it...its the lack of intelligent support.as you pointed out to me...you do your part..great...get more to do it...do you realize that your own interior minister in alberta wanted to put a 1 year suspension on all sport fishing? under the recomondation of anti's?...be more diplomatic and change minds...not drive them harder. many of the guys you are intangled in conflict with i have had the pleasure of sharing many convo's and debates with before..and never have they gotten this brash or even silly(sorry guys but its a bit true) if you can cause fellow sportsman who might share your very same thoughts to be this combative..what in gods name will happen if someone pokes their finger in your chest and says " i think hunters are savage and i cant belive you do it"..i ve got a strange feeling they are gonna feel alot stronger in their will afterwards..
P.S. dont get to quick to bash the neighboors to your south..do you realize that the entire sales proceeds from duck stamps from at least one state goes souly to the canadian government to help cover costs of CRP lands and leases?
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P.S. dont get to quick to bash the neighboors to your south..do you realize that the entire sales proceeds from duck stamps from at least one state goes souly to the canadian government to help cover costs of CRP lands and leases?
not to mention without our american money from the canadian ballet and beer they would be bankrupt :D
sorry, i had to ;D
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not to mention without our american money from the canadian ballet and beer they would be bankrupt :D
sorry, i had to ;D
you forgot about the casino
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as well as many "slack jawed yocals" the only difference is they dont have a southern drawl..its usually a newfie accent.
Ok lol, I'll go along with you on that one lol.
Obviously hunting in a cage is important to you guys, I'll leave it alone.
And as for grunting...... grunting is great. We grunted in a little 3x2 the other night from about 500 yards out. I was surprised that he responded so well so early in the season. Heres a pic of the stand we were in when we grunted him in
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/Whitetailer/Fuggineverything239.jpg)
400 yards to the right of the edge of the pic is an 80 acre pivot field that the deer and Elk use for feeding. They use this trail to access the field from the bedding area which is about 1/4 mile to the left.
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another view
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/Whitetailer/Fuggineverything236.jpg)
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This has been a great stand for us for about 5 years, this year a big tom cougar moved in and set up camp right in our area, and now the deer have disappeared >:( . I scouted it for 3 weeks before the opener, and the last 4 nights in a row, a 45-50" moose was coming across the creek and feeding in the little clearing there on the right. On opening morning, the damn cougar was hanging around my tree and nothing showed up. He seems to have moved off now as the deer are starting to trickle back.....no moose yet though.
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do you have a cougar season to take care of the problem ???
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Lots of Alberta isn't as remote as some may think. This stand is actually located within Calgary city limits, its about 500 yards from one house, about 700 from another house, and about a mile an a half or so from a subdivision lol. Its all private land in the area.This is the only large piece of land in the area (5 sections) and it was just by sheer luck that I've got access. The closest Crown land to Calgary is about a 45 minute drive, and does get a fair bit of hunting pressure. The vast amounts of wild Crown land is quite a drive for most that live in the city, Thursday night I leave for my Elk camp, and its a 3 hour drive to camp, then 2 hours in on horseback to access the real good stuff.
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Not till Dec 1 >:(
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not to mention without our american money from the canadian ballet and beer they would be bankrupt :D
sorry, i had to ;D
I love the Canadian Ballet. I guess you could say I support the arts. One lap dance at a time. 8)
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calgary is a beautifull city at least..my aunt used to live on the north end..worked for shell...moved up to edmonton closer to the oil..she really misses it...alot of game close to the city..you could see the large city park(the one with the decent rolling grassy hills) from her top floor and id see deer all the time out there...
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calgary is a beautifull city at least..my aunt used to live on the north end..worked for shell...moved up to edmonton closer to the oil..she really misses it...alot of game close to the city..you could see the large city park(the one with the decent rolling grassy hills) from her top floor and id see deer all the time out there...
Thats Nose Hill Park. There is a big argument going on right now regarding the wildlife populations in the park. Some people want to have all the coyotes exterminated from the area because people are scared of them, and concerned for their dogs.
I'm all for exterminating coyotes, but these folks don't seem to understand that its impossible to decimate a coyote population anywhere lol. There are so many of the critters, even if you do kill every single one in the park, give it 2 weeks and there will be new ones moved in lol.
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Thats Nose Hill Park. There is a big argument going on right now regarding the wildlife populations in the park. Some people want to have all the coyotes exterminated from the area because people are scared of them, and concerned for their dogs.
I'm all for exterminating coyotes, but these folks don't seem to understand that its impossible to decimate a coyote population anywhere lol. There are so many of the critters, even if you do kill every single one in the park, give it 2 weeks and there will be new ones moved in lol.
sounds like you could use a fence ;)
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haha ;D
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.....somebody had to say it lol
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.....somebody had to say it lol
lol, thats the way to be, just laugh, we are all great guys who just like to have fun ;D
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lol, thats the way to be, just laugh, we are all great guys who just like to have fun ;D
OK, I'll buy the first round! ;D
(Just how many members are there on MHF? :o)
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OK, I'll buy the first round! ;D
(Just how many members are there on MHF? :o)
462 members. Start saving your pennies ;D
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Who's the country singer that got nailed for shooting a bear inside a three acre enclosure? Anybody got that info? His claim was that he relied on his guide to keep it legal. Who needs a guide for three acres!
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I think it was one of the Montgomery Gentry guys....He bought it from a zoo but tagged it as if it were a wild animal.