my buddies son lives in downtown philly. has a 12pt. on his wall with a spread thats just short the state record. shot it out his bedroom window at 2am w/ his crossbow. dropped in the parking lot behind his apartment. he ran out in his pj's and drug it into his garage. he claims that deer was the smaller of 2 bucks that were together. he says there is deer all over the city because no one can hunt them.